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DonnaP

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advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« on: October 14, 2015, 01:40:26 PM »
Help!

My son has been working in the accounting field for the past three years. He HATES his job. And I think it shows. A month ago, he was put on probation for not meeting expectations. Since that time, he has really tried to put forth the extra effort. His boss said he noticed he is trying but said "he is 'still not there yet'" so he could not lift the probation status.

THEN, my son gets an email from the same supervisor saying that he now has 30 days to show improvement or "separation may occur."

It sounds to me like they are trying to force him out. He is wondering whether he should just quit, rather than stay and risk getting fired.

Which is worse?

Does anyone have any experience in this area???

He is so beside himself, he called employee assistance today to talk to a counselor.

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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2015, 02:10:32 PM »
This is my opinion only I do not know his situation.
I would start looking for a job.  Pay all the bills you can and reduce expenses. 
Talk to your boss if you want the job to be able to meet the requirements and feel what the bosses attitude is. 
If you feel they do not want to work with him or he does/ can not meet the demands, give your 2 weeks or 1 month notice (depending on work).  Give this notice in writing. 
If you hate a job find a new one.  It is not good to be somewhere most of your life and hating it. 
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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2015, 02:40:34 PM »
This happened to me, with the first job I had out of college. Honestly, he should expect that he will be terminated. I got the same, not meeting expectations report at my first review. I was blown away and it was totally unexpected. I was given 30 days to correct my "poor performance" and I worked my ass  off during those 30 days and ended up getting fired anyway. I think they wanted to get rid of me for personal reasons, I was warned much earlier that they were a tight group and that it was hard to fit in with them. I was out of work for 2 months but ended up at a place that I love and I have been here for 9 years this month! 

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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2015, 02:44:37 PM »
Thanks!

Missmybecky, how did you address the subject of why you left your previous job when potential employers asked? And, did you get any compensation when you got fired? What about your health insurance coverage?

I'm just worried that the job market is still poor. And he has bills to pay (rent, insurance, cell phone). Luckily, his other debt is pretty low. If only we could be sure he would land another job soon... Any advice for how to go about the job search?

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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2015, 02:55:45 PM »
I would also quit.

My husband has fired several over the years and this is ALWAYS, without fail the way they present it. (unless there is some reason that the worker must be fired immediately) In my opinion, based on how my husband (following the requirements of his large company) approaches this, the writing is on the wall. There is likely nothing substantial to warrant a termination now, so they have to start a paper trail and it begins with warnings - written and verbal, probation's and then time-frames for "meeting the companies expectations." Short of a miracle, this will likely end in termination.

He has a blessing here as it will likely not just come out of the blue - he has time to prepare. He needs to use this time to be proactive and, like someone mentioned, pay off bills, save, and actively look for another job. He shouldn't tip his hand that he is looking for a job. In fact if it were me, I would put on my best Oscar award winning face and make everyone think I love working for them and am doing everything I can to get back into good graces. He needs to take the upper hand and work towards the goal of quitting (I would aim for the day before my probation is up) and then telling them what a bunch of wankers they are. JMHO.

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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2015, 03:13:10 PM »
How will unemployment work out if he quits versus being fired?  I was terminated 3 years, 8 months, and 19 days ago (not bitter, lol) without any sort of notice or previous write-ups and even at the termination meeting I wasn't given a reason.  Anywho, they told me that if I resigned immediately they wouldn't fight me getting unemployment benefits but if they termed me they reserved the right to fight it.

I ended up letting them term me because a resignation (with severance) would have had some non-compete strings involved, and I got a new (and better) job within a month, but had I been worried about another job I would have thought long and hard about taking the severance and then unemployment.

On the bright side, this will likely turn out for the best for him, but I know that's not an easy thing to hear when you are going through it. :(
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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2015, 03:46:35 PM »
Thanks!

Missmybecky, how did you address the subject of why you left your previous job when potential employers asked? And, did you get any compensation when you got fired? What about your health insurance coverage?

I'm just worried that the job market is still poor. And he has bills to pay (rent, insurance, cell phone). Luckily, his other debt is pretty low. If only we could be sure he would land another job soon... Any advice for how to go about the job search?

Donna

It was a long time ago, so I don't remember exactly how I handled that in interviews, being honest without disclosing more than you are asked is probably the best approach. I had been with that company less than a year and received no compensation from them and was not eligible for benefits other that COBRA for health insurance which I declined ($$$). Becky was working back then and we didn't yet have kids, so it was a lean couple of months but we got past it together.

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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2015, 06:59:47 PM »
Donna,

Perhaps if he decides to resign, he can tell future employers that he recognized the need to change the situation, but job searching was a full time job itself and he needed the time to dedicate to finding something more suitable to his interests and skills.  That way, it gives the appearance of working toward something more compatible and creates the assumption that he was searching for something, but needed the time to devote to the search process.

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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2015, 08:28:46 PM »
It's ok to say that you recognized it wasn't the right fit and decided it was best to devote your time to finding something that fits both yours and the company you work for goals.
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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2015, 09:00:12 AM »
ok - thanks - this is all very helpful.

More info - he HAS been job hunting. He does not want to just get into another position like the one he has now, because he feels he will be equally unhappy there. He wants a total change, but needs some direction. He feels if he were not stuck working, he could devote more time to the search. Of course, this is a Catch 22, as most of us know - it is actually easier to get hired if you are currently employed. But, given the circumstances, I think he will eventually have to resign. I like the suggestions about how to explain why he left his current position... that could be very helpful.

He has been searching online job sites and sending out resumes. I'm helping him with "thoughtful" cover letters. It's just that the job market is flooded right now with qualified applicants. We need to find a way to make his application stand apart from all the others...

SO stressful...
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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2015, 05:15:18 PM »
They sound determined to terminate him ~ does he have any accrued vacation or sick time?  He should take every minute he has accrued.

Speaking to the benefits adviser with the notifications he has received is a good start ... sounds like weasel words to reduce staff and not pay benefits to me. 
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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2015, 05:36:28 PM »
"if I resigned immediately they wouldn't fight me getting unemployment benefits but if they termed me they reserved the right to fight it."

 This sound suspicious.   It may vary state by state, but in my state, if you voluntarily leave, you don't qualify for unemployment. One can be disqualified for misconduct.   


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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2015, 07:39:42 PM »
Please give the exit interview careful consideration. 

If he is honest there is little to gain.  I have not seen any changes internally from an exit interview that pointed out constructively things that could be improved.  And the repercussions in the field down the line could be substantial if the wrong people are involved.

I would suggest using another venue to vent.  Use the exit interview to demonstrate he is the bigger person.  Hth.

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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2015, 08:43:40 PM »
Agree with Kealoha, don't burn any bridges.  One never knows when you'll come across these people again, maybe in a future position.   
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Re: advice on quitting a job vs getting fired
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2015, 07:54:53 AM »
I was fired from my first job out of college - at the time it seemed like such a big deal. But you know what ? I went on to much better and bigger jobs so it all worked out. Honestly, it was one of the best things that happened to me as I ended up working in London. I told the employers that I was interviewing with that it was a combination of the company downsizing (true) plus also it wasn't a good fit (true too). The issue with getting fired vs. quitting comes down to money in a lot of ways - if he was terminated, they would likely have to pay him a severance (depending on his contract) and he could qualify for unemployment. Its also easier to find a job when you have a job. When things are unpleasant, its very tempting to quit but that lets his company off the hook in a lot of ways. These days there is less stigma when we are let go from our jobs given the economic climate. But he should make sure he does have a good contact at his current firm and plays nice with HR so he can get a decent reference when he does land a new job.

Does your son have an idea of what he would like to do outside of accounting ? Can he get into a field where he can use his accounting background but not be an accountant ?Its a long slog in that career if he doesn't enjoy it at all. Make sure he is on LinkedIn as a lot of recruiters look at that website. He should start talking to headhunters. Can he network with people he know to explore other career options (this helps a lot I think)? I found the book "What Color is Your Parachute?" a great insightful book - an oldie but goodie. Its hard to apply for jobs and sound convincing if he isn't sure what he wants to do and he needs to formulate a good story if he wants to change careers.

Wishing him all the best - that can be a tough time, career wise.